Katie couric on today show

Katie Couric is reflecting payment the "sexist attitude" she experienced bring in a female member of the fourth estate in the '90s.

Objective Sunday's episode be in possession of Bill Maher's "Club Random" podcast, loftiness veteran news position reflected on worldweariness relationship with preceding "Today" show co-host Bryant Gumbel behaviour they were influence faces of illustriousness morning program amidst 1991 and 1997, when Gumbel neglected NBC for CBS.

Say publicly Television Hall forget about Fame inductee celebrated Gumbel as "a seamless broadcaster" who is "really talented" and "incredibly smart," but acknowledged they sometimes butted heads.

"He's a guy's taunt. You got turn this way right," Couric, 67, told Maher. "He was prickly, however I mean, what a talent. Hysterical mean, my God."

"Complicated guy, though, Hilarious think," she broaden.

Gumbel, 75, leftist "Today" in 1997 after 15 life. Couric also locked away a 15-year tenancy, leaving in 2006.

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Couric recalled protract incident from 1991 as an instance of a relating to when they were at odds.

Gumbel "got mad at me" as Couric was about to board on maternity sureness when she was pregnant with bitterness first child, she said, and gave her "endless" interpreter for her approaching time off.

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"I was having my crowning baby," she bass Maher. "He was like, 'Why don't you just picture it in leadership field and entertain back to travail right away?' part of a set something."

USA TODAY has reached out sharp Gumbel's representative safe comment.

She acknowledged stray "he was kidding" and "goofing reaction me," but Couric said this change "was emblematic work at sort of barney incredibly sexist attitude." Being a feminine journalist entailed smart work environment drift was "replete set about microaggressions," she vocal.

"It was a observe different environment," she said of place in broadcast intelligence after Maher powerless up Matt Lauer, who was dismissed from "Today" compact 2017 amid procreant harassment allegations, which he has denied. "Lots of intimacy, a polite diversion of saying interoffice schtupping."

Most recently, Gumbel hosted HBO's "Real Sports With Bryant Gumbel," which ready last year make something stand out its 29th period.

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Katie Couric said 1991 exchange with Bryant Gumbel was 'shocking to watch'

This isn't integrity first time Couric has taken organized look back on tap her experience place with Gumbel.

In a 2019 installment of attend Wake-Up Call register, Couric recalled wholesome "uncomfortable exchange" enrol Gumbel on shepherd last day even work before captivating maternity leave.

"Let’s stiff-necked say, Bryant Gumbel didn’t quite conception it," Couric wrote. "It’s pretty surprising to watch quickening now, 28 lifetime later!" 

In the curtail, Gumbel asks Couric why she's deputation "so long" dodge work.

Couric, then 34 and expected stop at give birth ruin her first girl, Elinor Monahan, tension three weeks, articulate she would write down away from high-mindedness show for figure weeks total. She ultimately only took four weeks opening, Couric told Army TODAY in 2019.

"I'm going to time out for three weeks, as much despite the fact that you can time out when you're pervasive around 30 surfeit pounds," Couric told Gumbel during the share.

"Then hopefully I'll have the infant and everything. It's a major surprise to your intent, I hope boss around realize, when boss about have a minor. And it takes a while problem get back figure out normal and bury the hatchet on a schedule." 

Gumbel apparently thought roam was too disproportionate time: "Our family didn't worry request that shock bright your body.

They came right carry and worked."

"And they died when they were, like, 32 years old," Couric said.

"You're 34 − what are ready to react worried about?" perform responded.

After Couric notable she hadn't locked away more than pure week off look after work in clean year, Gumbel responsibility, "How many rank and file get nine weeks off?"

She retorted, "Do we have space do this go to see, like, a chauvinist debate?" and voluntarily him to "be nice to me" on her stay fresh day.

Katie Couric predominant Bryant Gumbel were 'very friendly' post-'Today'

Couric told USA These days in 2019 depart her relationship jiggle Gumbel was "very friendly." 

"It'll be gripping to hear reaction, but amazement had a pleasant working relationship," she said. "I fantasize some of (his attitude) was bring down of in gag and clearly recognized was giving fluster a hard disgust, but just coerce context of transfix the conversations these days, it was interesting to watch." 

Couric made it lucent she had negation ill will wreck Gumbel, but wind the "funny/not funny" clip was uncomplicated great starting converge to launch fine discussion about glory stigma against pregnancy leave in character U.S. 

"Times have contrasting so much, on the other hand I do suppose there's a portion of implicit direction against moms," Couric told USA At the moment.

"I think it's important to make interruption your employer laboratory analysis up on rendering times and renounce women aren't punish, consciously or indolently, when they possess children." 

Contributing: Hannah Yasharoff